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mom2-4 04-10-2005 04:35 PM

Kindergarten Readiness!!!
I know there is a thread of a list of what a child should know before entering kindergarten.

But, there are several things on that list that I have been informed that the children entering kindergarten in the fall of 2005, should know.

1. Cut efficiently with a scissors
2. Count to 100.
3. Able to write their name with using initial cap letter and the rest lower case. Such as Karen.
4. Recognize numbers up to 20.
5. Able to count items up to 20. (I am not sure is this rote counting)
6. Recognize all of both upper case and lower case letters of the alphabet.
7. A list of words that they should be able to recognize/read.

Has any one else heard this??

If so does anyone have this list of words? And could someone tell me where to get them and/or give them to me????

ajrsmom 04-10-2005 04:52 PM

WOW, That is really strict for Kindergarten!

My son went to Kindergarten last year in Pa. He had to know the following:

Able to count to ten

Able to recite ABCs

They would like for them to be able to write their names but it isnt a requirement.

They had to be able to recognize and be able to draw a circle, a square, a triangle and a rectangle.

He went through a series of naming pictures.

He was asked to draw a picture.

And then 2 different teachers interviewed him to see if he could carry on a conversation and to see if he was prepared for school. They werent prepared for a 5 year old that could carry on a conversation like a 25 year old, lol! ROFLMAO

Did you get this requirement list from the school that your child will be attending? If so, ask them for a list of words that he/she should know.

When I was teaching my son during the summer before he started Kindergarten, I searched the Internet for teaching sites that have sheets that you can print out.

I cant imagine that they would expect kids that age to start off knowing how to write upper and lower case letters or being able to use scissors effectively.

Good Luck to you! If you do find that list of words, please post them. Im very interested in seeing what they expect from the kids.

Karen, I forget, what part of Pa. do you live in?

Tami :hearts:

mom2-4 04-11-2005 01:58 AM

Tami, we are in Lancaster County.

No, I did not get this information from our district. But, the preschool that DD is going to has kids from the district right next to ours. This particular district has been doing kindergarten screening since my older two kids went to kindergarten. They are now sophmore and junior years.

Our district just started screening since my DD who is in fourth grade. But, usually whatever the district next to us does, our follows.

Our district just started all day kindergarten for children who are found to need it. Such as speech problems, not knowing their alphabet, not sure what else.

I really do not want my DD to go to all day kindergarten. From my understanding this is not a year round thing. They have to qualify for the all day kindergarten. And than when they are proficient they "graduate" from all day kindergarten.

I would think that would be hard in both aspects. First, adjusting to being at school all day. Than after adjusting to it. Than graduating from it, and having to go back to half days. I would imagine they would than get bored.

I am wondering if the list of words that they are to know is the same list of words that they get in first/second grades called "No Excuse Words". There is to be no excuse as to why they can't spell them.

Hold a conversation?? My DD is so shy, I don't think she will even say a word to these people!!

After posting this I went through the papers that we got at registration.

They also want them to know:

Full name(not necessarily saying to spell it)

Phone number and area code


City they live in

State they live in

And zip code

Another paper I have has shapes of shapes and animals in the middle of the shape there is a color, and they are to color that shape the color that is stated. On the opposite side it has things to do.

Such as

Clap your hands three times.
Jump nine times.
Touch your head and turn around.

another one:

Walk backwards to the door.
Hop back to your seat.
Sing the ABC song.

At the top of this page are the instructions:

Following Directions

Help your child to cut out the shapes below. Color the shapes the correct color by reading the color words. Place the shapes on a flat surface (table, floor, etc.) Let your child choose a shape. Read the directions on the shape and watch your child perform the actions. *Your might need to help your child with the actions.

But, I did not get a list of words.

Maybe when she goes for the screening she will get a list of things she should know.

I guess I should just relax and not worry so much. Here I thought I had a very smart child. But, now I am not sure if she will be ready!!

I did get preschool workbooks at WalMart for her to work in. She does really well with them. We are almost finished with them. I think I will buy a Kindergarten one for her to work in this summer.

Did you also know that the schools will most likely make all day kindergarten a normal thing. And that preschool might be mandatory!!!

That is how much they want these kids to be ready!!

Candy 04-16-2005 07:20 AM


Hi all,

My daughter had to know most of those things before kindergarden..including how to cut with scissors. They told me at her interveiw that I needed to let her work with scissors ,they could tell I did not! Huh!! I most certainly did ,as I love crafts and my kids got to make and try to make stuff from get go!! She also was to be able to hold a conversation which she would only answer questions bluntly. LOL She was also supose to know how to tie a bow(for shoes) which she did not. She knew her name and address but would not say it for the teacher!LOL Not to worry she still was accepted for kindergarden and against the written guidelines she went on to be a straight A student. This was 31 years ago in Indiana county in PA.

Coll 04-16-2005 10:54 AM

I think in our district (Hempfield Area), they need to know alot more stuff than when the 2 older kids started kindergarten.

I think it is-
Know name, address, phone number, say the alphabet, recognoze the letters, tie shoes, but this isn't all that important.
Know shapes, colors and some numbers.

I think it is a bunch of baloney. Thatys what those teachers are paid for. To TEACH. I'll say that to anyone.

My son could read at 3 1/2. And read a newspaper and understand it at 4 1/2. I think the kids will learn at their own pace. I can't see pushing them.

If I had to know all that stuff when I started first grade, I would have been about 9 when I started. LOL. I couldn't spell my middle name until I was 8.

Thjey push too hard.


barbszy 04-16-2005 12:12 PM

I don't like it that kids are expected to know ALL THAT before even starting school.
Probably both my Big Kids knew most if not all of it; I can't remember now....but I do know that they were not pushed to know it. Nor do I want them to be. I know it's gotten a lot more demanding even since DD was in kindergarten (she's in 3rd now). By the time Luke gets there in 2 more years they'll probably be expected to touch type, tap dance, stand on their heads and cook a gourmet meal too :rolleyes:

Coll, I'm a teacher (just because I'm not working now doesn't make me not a teacher :-D ) and I agree with you 100%!! The kids are way too rushed! I think it really shows later on. I'd rather have things taken at a little slower pace, let them get a GOOD grasp of the basics and a love for learning and reading. After that they will naturally take off!

VickiLynn 04-16-2005 01:04 PM

I agree that they are expecting too much from kids so early! Our district not only has all-day kindergarden, but all-day preschool! So my 4-year old would be expected to get on the bus at 7AM and return home about 4:30 (3 days/week). I think that's a LOT for a 4-year old.

But the school assures me that it's not a problem for the kids!

We've decided to send Ethan to preschool in a different district, where preschool is half-days. I have also found a private school in that district that still has half-day kindergarden. We're hoping to find enough in the budget to do that. It'll mean driving him to school, but we are willing.

Candy 04-16-2005 01:19 PM

^^ ROFLMAO I made a math mistake! It was 26 years ago for Penny and Kindergarden. I think kids need to be kids ,there is plenty of time for learning as long as they are exposed to it so they can grasp if if they want to. I can see the importance of knowing your name ,first and last, and your full phone number these days with all the child napping etc. It just feels like they are having to grow up way to fast to me.
BTW our school district is kindergarden a full day 5 days a week. For the first half the year Penny cried for me every afternoon and they took her to her brothers room for comfort.LOL he was in third grade and did not like that! LOL

tutterbear35 04-16-2005 06:45 PM

For our kindergarden round up they really look how kids interact with other kids. First they go in a room with about 5 teachers and speech teachers. Then they play for about 20 mins. The teachers watch them interact. Then they sit down and draw a picture of themselves, count to 10 and write there name. Then one of the teachers will read a story and ask questions and see who speaks up and talks and knows answers to questions. Then they get to ride a school bus the best part!! hugs kim

MKS 04-16-2005 07:33 PM

My ds is in K now & I can tell you most of the kids in his class did not know the things on your list. This is what has been taught all year. These may be things they will check at a screening to get an idea of where each child is. I go to his classroom once a week & have gotten to know the kids & their abilities. There is just such a wide range of progress at this age. I think the schools are pretty well prepared for this. I would say don't worry, just spend quality time with her in activities that have educational value. Teach her that learning is fun, reading is fun, nature is fun, numbers are fun, working with friends is fun...

Coll 04-17-2005 06:50 AM

Be sure to stress the importance of school.

I do that all the time. Miriam hates school, but I say Look how smart you have gotten. You wouldn't know all those spanish and french words if you didn't go to school. (They start both those languages in first grade here).


gwtw-mom 04-17-2005 01:58 PM

Wow, mom2-4, that sounds what they should LEARN in kindergarten!

My son just recently had his K screening and he had to recognize primary colors, draw anything (just wanted to see how he handled a pencil, crayon, etc), know basic body parts (although they also asked obscure ones like knuckle), how well he interacted with others, counting to 20 and basic gross motors things like jumping and hopping.

I asked them if he needed to know how to write his name and know the sounds of letters, things like that, and they told me that's what they would teach him (we are going to homeschool but just wanted a sense of where he was on their charts).

Good luck!

efeston 04-17-2005 02:04 PM

WOW! :goof: My son is in Kindergarten now, and those are the desired abilities at the end of the year! I guess here in CA, we've got lots different standards? :confus:

ajrsmom 04-17-2005 03:58 PM

I agree with those who have said not to stress too much about it. They will all of that info. during the year.

I also agree with reinforcing the idea that school is fun. My son loves school and this has made his transition to his new school so much easier. I was a nervous wreck last week when I sent him off on a school bus for the first time in his life to a school that he had only seen for a brief time the day before. He made it through the first week with flying colors and he says that he really likes his new school because they do so much more than at his old school. :clapp:

Fancybird10 04-17-2005 10:31 PM

I was a K and 1st Grade teacher for years and I can not believe what they want the kids to learn before even going to school. What are they going to teach the children in K and 1st Grade?

One of the most important needs for a child just starting school is to know the Fairy Tales(and I mean the old ones too) and any other books you can read them. I found that children who parents read to them could handle school better. They seemed to be able to sort out problems, adjust faster, were more creative and learned to read faster and more advance than children who did not have this experience. Encourge reading now, it will be the best thing you can do for your child.

Good luck to all parents who's children are starting school.

mom2-4 04-18-2005 01:53 AM


Originally posted by gwtw-mom
Wow, mom2-4, that sounds what they should LEARN in kindergarten!
It is my understanding that they want them to be able to read while in kindergarten. They want to start teaching them to add/subtract while still in kindergarten.

It seems each year that they want them to know more and more before starting kindergarten.

I mean really some of the stuff my DD, that is in fourth grade, brings home stuff that my older two kids learned at the end of middle school, eighth grade! I think my older two kids bring home stuff that would have been college stuff when I was in high school!

I guess that exepct Doogie Howsers or something. Maybe they want them to be taking college prep courses by fifth grade!

She will go for the testing at the begining of May. So, if there is something that she is not up to their par for we have 3 1/2 months to learn it.

Believe me, I am not stressing over this too much. I just don't want an instant replay of what happened with my DS. He went into kindergarten not knowing the letters of the alphabet, he just wasn't interested, by the end of kindergarten he was reading on a second grade level. By second grade he lost all interest in school. I think he was pushed too hard for the first two years.

I feel as though my DD is ready. I am just concerned that kindergarten is now too structured. And not fun any more. All of the learning she has done so far has been through play. She has learned to write/spell her full name, not necessarily the way they claim to want it done, by playing with sidewalk chalk outside!

I guess I will just wait and see what they say at screening. And if they don't give me a list of what she should know and doesn't know. We will just continue to practice what she does already know. If she seems to get bored with that I will work on more with her.

mom2-4 04-18-2005 01:57 AM

I should add!

These are not things they have to absolutely know to get into kindergarten. They just have to be 5 years old by September 1st to enter kindergarten.

They just would like if they know these things.

I did get the paper for her invite for pre-screening. That states that they will use the screening for placement. I guess so that kids will be put with kids closer to their own level.

Our area is pushing for kindergarten to be full day. That preschool is mandatory. Due to the fact that if they are taught earlier they learn "better"..??

gwtw-mom 04-18-2005 07:03 AM

They have full day kindergarten here but not mandatory preschool. That's the main reason hubby and I decided to homeschool.

After DS kingergarten screening I asked them what they do with them in the afternoon. The teachers told me lunch, about an hour of math (maybe less), a long recess, and then they work on their stations. Those "stations" looked like what I would call free play.

They did say that with the exception of math, all the main learning is done in the afternoon. Which begs the question, why in the world are you forcing these kids to be there all day? They could do half day kindergarten and cut the class size in half.

They did tell me I could take my DS home before lunch each day but I'd have to teach him math at home. So we just decided to teach him everything else, too.

That's really great what you've taught your DD so far!


mom2-4 05-07-2005 04:00 PM

I am getting very anxious! Monday is Kindergarten screening testing.

So, I will find out than if she should know more. I think if she does need to know more. I will question what they are teaching in kindergarten!

megrayau 08-16-2005 09:38 PM

Hi Karen,

So how did it all go?? Has your dd started kindergarten?? Can you please fill me in on the differences in the education system In Melbourne, Victoria Australia (where I live) this is what happens.

Some kids in creche/daycare/playgroups etc until age four.

Some kids do 3 yo kinder

Children are expected to do 4 yo kinder. (Usually 3 sessions a week 3 - 4 hrs per session!)

They must start school by the time they are 6. Can start school from age 4 if they will be 5 by May 31 that year. School year begins Feb. Must be there by age 6!
That first year of school is full days 9 - 3.30pm. Called prep. Then the rest of primary goes Gr 1 - 6. High School (Yr 7 - 12) begins around age 12/13 through to 17/18. Then uni if they choose, or tertiary education, or work , or whatever??????????

mom2-4 08-17-2005 05:42 AM

Let me start off with saying that she starts kindergarten on Aug 29th!!

The testing went well. She really surprised me and went right with the "teachers" for the testing, with a smile on her face!! I am just hoping she goes off to kindergarten that well. She is now getting nervous!:eek:

She did get marked down for not knowing two things. One was using a scissors! She can cut any shape out perfectly, but, because she holds the scissors really funny, they marked that she doesn't know that. They also said she can't write her name. She wrote it: KArrie, versus Karrie. We have been working on correcting both of those this summer, but have not progressed greatly!

Currently in our school district preschool, and play groups are optional. Which would be attended until age five. Providing that the child is age 5 by September 1st, they can start kindergarten that year. School starts the last full week of August. Though Kindergarten is optional! All children must be enrolled in some type of school by the age of I think it is 8.

We have elementary school which is made up of Kindergarten through 5th grade. Then there is middle school which is currently made up of 6th through 8th grade. Then there is High school which is of course 9th through 12th.
Than college and further education, if the student decides to.

Now, our district has had problems with building a new elementary school. So the elementary schools are overcrowded, and are only getting fuller. So the schoool, plans to change elementary school to grades K-4 and middle school 5th-8th. The 5th and 6th grade would "run" on the same hours of the elementary school. The high school would stay the same with it being the 9th-12th.

Luckily this won't be for at least another two years, so my DD going into 5th grade this year will not have that schedule. And DD going into kindergarten won't have to go through that for another 5 years, and by than hopefully it is all set up and running smoothly.

ajrsmom 08-17-2005 11:15 AM

Karen, Im sending out a big hug to you and your DD. She sounds like she will do just fine!! :) I think that it is much harder on us Moms than it is on our kids to leave for that first day. My son surprised me to by hugging and kissing me and turning right around to his table and not giving us another look for his first day. Of course, I cried. Just to let you know .... it gets easier and you might even start to look forward to school starting!ROFLMAO It starts here for my son on the 25th and we are ready to go!

Our schools are overcrowded too. The second graders are outside in PODS this year. Open house is on Tues. but we went last night to find his "room". He's not sure what to make of this arrangement since he's never had to deal with this before. I think that once he gets used to it, he will be fine. I have to give him a lot of credit because he went from a school that had approx. 250 kids, to one with way over 900 kids with no problems. :heart:

Enjoy this year with her!!


megrayau 08-17-2005 05:06 PM

What is a standard class size in your schools? For our little ones it is around 20 - 22 per class. Up to about 30 per class in Year 5 & 6.:yakk:

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