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Old 01-29-2010, 08:10 PM
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I saw this thread and I HAD to reply. This is an area in which I can hopefully be of help. Child psychology is not my thing, but I might be able to assist.

Cindy, when you saw the psychologist, did he/she give the WISC? There are also tests for ADD/ADHD for children. Girls tend not to be as hyper as their male counterparts and thus tend to be properly diagnosed with the inattention problems. I am familiar with those questionnaires and I don't take a whole lot of stock in them unless both teach and parent are concerned about certain areas. My personal experiences with them are that the teacher usually has totally different responses than the parents. One will over complain and the other will under complain. Since it is a self-report test, we are relying only on the perceptions of the person filing out the form. You need to find a professional that deals solely with children, if possible. If your daughter isn't ADD/ADHD, the other thing that pops in my head is laziness. I hate to be so blunt, but some kids are just plain lazy when it comes to school. Your daughter may be an over-achiever in other areas of her life, but drag her heals when it comes to academia. My personal success has been with positive reinforcement. I have my grandchildren. I never let them have Lunchables. They LOVE Lunchables. So, if they get 5 stickers, they can have a Lunchable. It is amazing what they'll do for them. You can do something similar. I put the stars or stickers on the calendar for the date they earn it. You can give them for good grades, good behavior at school, cleaning their room, and so on. After earning so many, she can earn at specific reward. Depending on her age will depend on how many stars. For example, my GKs are ages 4 and 6 so I never go over 5 at a time. It is a reasonable amount for them to count. Older kids could go higher and work longer for their rewards.z

If it isn't a learning disability or if it isn't pure laziness towards school, look at the environment. This doesn't mean that her home life is bad. Children are very sensitive to change and transition. If you are going through a divorce, a death in the family, a move, obtaining a new job, and other changes, your daughter will probably be negatively affected. Be patient with her as difficult as that might be.

Bottom line is that you need to first make sure all the testing for learning disabilities, including ADD/ADHD or mental retardation has taken place. It will be expensive unless you have a university who can do it cheaper, but still expensive. The WISC will detect mental retardation. If your daughter is mildly retarded or borderline, she won't have problems in school until she gets in the upper grades. If she is mild or borderline, she will still be able to live a great life. The sooner you know, the sooner you can get her in a school that will teach her life skills and job training so she can support herself. If she is ADD/ADHD, the sooner the better for that too. That can be treated with behavior modification and/or medications. You could seek counseling for yourself too. A good counselor is worth his/her weight in gold. If you don't like one, keep shopping until you find someone whom you like and will work with you in a way that you will benefit.

I hope this helps and good luck!
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Old 01-30-2010, 06:34 AM
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Good advice Debora. I wasn't sure if this was your field of work or not, so I didn't direct her to you for an answer.

One of my grandsons has been tested for Autism.. he shows some signs of being Autistic. A couple other grandsons have ADD/ADHD, but they are on medication & doing fine.
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Old 01-30-2010, 07:22 AM
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Psychology and testing is my area, but that covers a vast area! That is why professionals prefer to specialize. Elderly has special needs that are different than other adults, children handle stress differently than adults, children have issues related to development, and so on. I did not want to go into child psychology since it would mean dealing with a higher than normal range of child abuse/neglect, pedophiles, and so on. I love the children but not usually the adults attached to them who usually have behavioral problems themselves but blame the child for being effected by his environment.

I have worked with children and in particular a child that was probably autistic. His parents and school required our help in developing a treatment plan. My observation was that this child had problems because of the autism. He seemed like he had a healthy happy home and terrific parents. The school was even involved. If all child therapy cases were this simple, I wouldn't mind taking in children. I have discovered inmates with severe problems are much easier to deal with than children who might have adults in their lives who are alcoholics, abusive, and otherwise unhealthy. So, I would rather pick and choose the children whose parents are willing to admit they might be making mistakes and/or willing to change. We all make mistakes. Many adults who are healthy just don't know how to handle certain behaviors, especially if the child has special needs. Children do not come with instructions so it is no crime that we don't know it all.
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I wish when dd2 was diagnosed with Global Hypotonia which causes developmental delays 6 years ago and Tourettes/OCD/ADHD 3 years ago they had offered therapy /classes for the parents and family as a whole.

Some days it's down right tough to make it through the day. You spend so much time fighting the system to get the help your child needs and should get but the system isn't willing to do the paperwork to get it taking care of.

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Old 01-30-2010, 08:24 AM
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Roberta, what is Global Hypotonia? I could not find it in the DSM or under developmental problems. Do you have a diagnosis code for it?
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Actually I guess the diagnosis is Myelination (lack of insulation around the nerve endings in the brain), global hypotonia is the symptom. When she was 5 the Neurologist said that over the past 3 yrs she had developed more insulation and it was "normal" but she was still 18-24 months behind her age. Currently she is 12-18 months behind kids her age developmentally and has a Special Ed teacher that helps in the classroom. After much battle with the schools she receives speach, occupational & physical therapy weekly at school and speach & OT privately twice a month.

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Call the school and request a case study done on your dd. The school has the specialists, test and everything needed. ADHD can be shown in different ways. My youngest dd was a perfectly behaved child but sounded just like your dd. Turned out she has Auditory perceptional
problems which caused her to lose concentration. All noises had the sme importance to her and she could not say to herself it is just a pencil tune it out. If she is just easily distracted at least you will know that is all it is
As a parent you should have the right to request the testing done and if done by the school there is no cost to you
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Old 01-30-2010, 09:18 PM
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Roberta, myelin is part of a neuron in the brain. Do you know a more specific diagnosis? Did your DD go through and EEG, MRI, fMRI, or SPRCT scan? Apparently, they think something is not functioning correctly in the brain for your DD.
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Yes she has had EEG and MRI's done the way it was described to me 6 yrs ago was there wasn't enough insulation around her nerve endings in her brain so it wasn't sending signals fast enough for the body to work properly, hense the developmental delays. She had gone through some genetic testing as well to determine what was going on.

She was in the Early Intervention program until 3 yrs old getting speach, occupational and physical therapys there as well as having excercises to do at home. When she was 3yr she qualified for the special needs pre-school and attended for three school years getting ST, PT, & OT once a week plus the program was geared around incorporating those in the class room as well. We started private therapy when she was 4 as I noticed her sliding back.

When she was 5 she had another MRI done and it showed growth of the insulation around the nerve endings and it was deemed to be at a "normal" range so we were just playing catch up the body to her age at that point.

About 6 months later she was diagnoised with tics which we had just thought was annoying 5 yr old behavior. I.E. making noise in the back of the car, swinging her legs and hitting the side of the computer desk, repeatedly blinking her eyes and then freezing looking out the corner of the eyes, repeatedly saying the same word out of the blue, etc. After speaking with her teacher after a very trying weekend we saw the family doctor who then called the old neurologist who secheduled an EEG to check for seisures.

We were then referred to a new neurologist who diagnosed her with tics and OCD & ADHD with additional testing, after a year when she was still having the tics and hadn't "grown" out of it the diagnosis was changed to Tourettes with OCD & ADHD.

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Old 01-31-2010, 04:50 AM
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Roberta, at least it was diagnosed and worked on during the critical period. She should be able to catch up. Was she diagnosed with Tourette's or another tic disorder? Tourette's go hand in hand with OCD. It is also not uncommon for children with Tourette's to have ADHD. I am glad she was able to get help early!
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