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ajrsmom 09-16-2007 02:06 PM

How do you feel about kids in Elementary school selling gift wraps, magazines...etc?
:gaah: It's that time of year again......when kids (read Parents) are supposed to sell over-priced wrapping paper and magazines. I don't think that kids this age are old enough to handle the business end of these sales.

I hate this! I think that kids in elementary school are much too young to go door to door asking for people to buy this stuff. That means that it falls into their parents' laps to beg their friends and co-workers to buy this stuff all so that their kids have a chance to win a cheap prize. (Can you tell this is a sore subject with me?) I refuse to do it and I won't allow my son to take part in it either.

Last year, I gave his school a list of suggestions for other ways to make money. I told them that if they are going to sell stuff like this, at least make it food that everyone likes....cookie dough, candy bars, pizza kits and even popcorn if they couldn't think of anything else. No over priced Easter candy either!

I also suggested having more bakes sales, car washes, a spring carnival, school dances or family movie night where they would sell tickets to the event.

I asked them to buy more stuff with the school name and logo on can't tell me that the local print shop here wouldn't give them a deal!

No one got back to me on any of these ideas.

They are selling the same old stuff.

How do you feel about this?

barbszy 09-16-2007 02:20 PM

Hate it.

I basically refuse to participate. I am a homemaker, and my husband's office discourages employees selling for their kids. On my block, there are tons of kids all selling the same stuff.

If I need wrapping paper I buy some. Otherwise I let it go.

I'd rather go to "ice cream night" at the local ice cream parlor where a portion of the proceeds goes to the school.

mom2-4 09-16-2007 02:48 PM

I agree I hate it also!

Now, the magazines I don't mind as much. At least it is something that the buyer will receive all year long, and is a much better variety to choose from.

I send my DD back to public school this year, and I did not participate in the fundraiser. I too am a homemaker, and DH works as a concreter in a company of about 10 other men. Not very good sales there.

Now I am letting DD in Middle school sell the magazines.

ajrsmom 09-16-2007 03:04 PM

I agree, if my kids were in middle school and wanted to sell this stuff, I would agree it.

I'm glad to see that I am not the only one who refuses to take part in this.

When we moved from Pa to NC and lived in Kernersville, my son's school had "nights out" at restaurants around our area. We took part in that, too. They don't do that here either.

I tried becoming involved in the PTA last year but it was such a click there and I didn't fit in. So far, I haven't joined this year. I'm not sure if I will even bother or not.

Bunny 09-16-2007 03:12 PM

We dont allow my GGS to sell any of that stuff as my GS knows it would be him or us doing it I dont think that kids that young sould sell things, thay should wait until middle school and High school but thats just my thought.

Joy 09-17-2007 06:09 AM

I never liked the door to door selling stuff either. Not only do they / you have to sell it, but then it has to get delivered!!!!
Our local chain grocery store did a fund raiser once where the kids just handed out slips to everyone they knew. The next week when you got groceries at this store you handed the slip to the check out person who rang in your total. The store then donated a % of the total sales back to the school. Very easy--my kind of fund raiser.

barbszy 09-17-2007 08:59 AM

Just curious as to how often these fund raisers come your way?

My kids are in Catholic school. The kids in grade school come home with at least 2 fund raisers a month (that might be a "restaurant night," wrapping paper sale, some other sale, Casino Night, fashion show, whatever....) My high-schooler has fewer fund raisers and there is a lot less pressure put on the kids to sell, sell, sell.

bluebird 09-17-2007 09:50 AM

Hate it. I don't even like the Boy Scout popcorn or the Girl Scout peanut/cookies. It is the parent that does the selling. We too are a one income family. The stuff they sell is too $$$$. When I was a GS leader we tried a soup supper. The idea was for the kids to donate and help with the cooking. Ha. Myself and one other mom did almost all the work, none of the girls showed up, most of the food the girls signed up to bring didn't show up. But we made good money for the troop. I refused to do it again and neither would anyone else. Just a joke. I don't mind the car washes or bake sales. I really feel we should be teaching our kids to try to get by on less not always the need for more and more money and things.

Bilby 09-21-2007 04:27 PM

I have friends that have children that go to private/religious schools, they do not have fund raisers like this, that is why they pay private fees it's included like camps etc.
I hate the door to door sales that shcools use to raise money, I hate the raffle tickets too. I don't take them I volunteer in other ways.

As you say it's hard to sell over priced goods no matter how good the cause is.

On the other hand we/ or school occassionally does a pre order pie or lamington(cakes) and they usually sell well. Pre order and pre pay.

Thank heaven they do not do this in high school and this is my last year or last months in primary !! Yippee!

MsJReg 09-21-2007 05:10 PM

I hate fundraisers for school. I think it burdens parents with something else to do, because the kids always beg to do it and feel left out if they cannot participate. I'd rather make a donation than buy something. We pay enough taxes to schools and they need to spend it on the teachers and kids, not the overpaid administrators.

Pag36 09-21-2007 06:33 PM

I agree with all of you. Gina will not do it or let Steven go out and try to get neighbors to buy the paper etc way tooooo expensive. As some one said it is rough on the kids and what cheapy prizes they get IF they are able to sell enough. Hope Steven does not come home with it again this year.

sosoftail 09-21-2007 06:42 PM

Ditto! Ditto! Ditto!

These kids are often disappointed if their parents can't buy a lot of that stuff or sell it for them. I think it is like employing cheap child labor to make money for the schools. It is just wrong.

I did not have to do this when I went to school.

My daughter was in GS and we sold the cookies. Since the stores already had groups selling we had to buy them ourselves or sell them at work. We tried going door to door and were doing quite well until one door turned into a nightmare.

My daughter knocked. I sat in the van right in front of that apartment door watching in case of a problem. Then I saw my daughter run screaming. She hid under a stairway. I got out and started for her to find out what happened when I saw a very angry man coming toward me. He was cursing and looked quite frightening. I got in my van and shut the door but my window was down. He reached in and started hitting me, choking me and spitting on me. For some reason he said he was going back inside to call the law on me! When he walked off I ran for my daughter and got her inside my van. We left really fast and I had no cell phone so I called police from a payphone.

Well it turned out he actually pulled a putty knife of all weapons on the cops that came out. They locked him up. He claimed that he was from Columbia and had been living in Germany where things were bad. His story. He claimed her uniform set him off. He even came to court with one of those "Buck a Cup" buttons on his lapel that the cops sell. He represented himself. He got away with just a $500 fine for assault since he had no weapon he used on me, time served and probation. I don't know why the cops did not charge him for pulling the putty knife. They seemed to think it was funny and he had a screw loose.

The woman cop that calmed down my daughter got all her buddy cops to buy the cookies and she won top seller that year but at what cost? She is afraid now of strangers because she does not know when someone will also have a screw loose and snap.

Kids cannot go door to door alone so parents must go with them but even with parents present anything can happen.

I think the schools that want to raise money this way should set up a website and advertise on that or send out flyers about a sale at school on a parents night or something. Stop awarding prizes for the most sales and give some of the proceeds from sales to all kids and classes in the form of books or something educational. They should not have individual kids sell stuff. It is too dangerous now and too many kids get disappointed and worry about not selling enough. Their young lives will all too soon have enough to worry about without adding to it at such a young age. Leave the awards and prizes to parents when they have birthdays or Christmas.

Some think it teaches them to interact with people and teaches responsibility but I think it is still just about the schools making a buck.

This stuff comes up even on the first day of school. They drag in all sorts of stuff about selling stuff for prizes and then again and again all during the school year. It never ends and people at work hate being bothered with this stuff they don't even want so some workplaces do not even allow it. Not fair to the few that find their parents work where they can sell and other kids cannot sell because of it. Maybe enough parents have not kicked up a fuss about this stuff yet so schools keep doing it.

We used to have bake sales and fair like stuff in the gym with even a cake walk. My mom always baked a cake to give to them. The school made money that way for extra stuff to use in the school. They can make money without using the kids.

Oh.....Did I say I hate the selling stuff from school?...Duh! CC:soapbox::fireworks:fireworks:pumpkinsg:ugh2:

SanDansMom 09-21-2007 07:41 PM

It makes me really angry to be hit up by friends for the stuff their kids are selling. It's always shoddy and expensive or not enough of whatever it is, and expensive. I'd rather just donate directly to the school. I don't understand why this is even legal.

Lifestar 09-22-2007 10:49 AM

sosoftail... what a horryfing story!! It's a scary place.. I hope your daughter will be OK and not suffer any long term damage ( remember there is always civil court)

I don't buy from the fundraiser catalogues either.. but I always make a small donation ( $5 or so ) to my kids' school.

I don't know how PTO's work, but in PTA, the school only keeps about 1/3 of the membership dues.. the rest go to the National and State PTA ( why.. I have yet to figure out)...

But as per the National PTA guidelines, for every fundraiser a PTA holds, they are required to provide 3 enrichment programs for the kids with the proceeds of that fundraiser. ( assemblies, family fun nights, graduation gifts, or gifts to the school, etc. ). So in theory I support PTA fundraising.. just not selling all the tacky, overpriced crap that nobody needs or wants, and making the kids compete for crappy prizes. Besides, schools typically keep only between 30-60% of the sales anyway.

If everyone donated a couple of dollars to the PTA at their kids school.. they wouldn't have to sell the stuff you don't need or want in the first place ...

cau 09-22-2007 06:02 PM

We have the nmagizines sales going on right now. I hate them, I feel like I have to buy something whe I don't want anything

thsgrbr 09-24-2007 05:12 AM

I'm so glad that I'm not the only one out there that hates these things! I'm on the PTA and I don't understand why we do the! The money we get does go back to the school but it also is part of the budget for the PTA. I like what the NY PTA does that would be great to give back to the kids. But the school does benifit from it in the long run.:gaah: I do wish they would let us just give money and not have kids that get upset when you don't sell anything! Also at are school we are not allow to do bake sales anymore do to the fact some people are sue happy! Maybe we can stop the crazy fundraiser!

Mish 09-24-2007 08:48 AM

I am with all of you.I have always hated the fundraising it hits you at a bad time of the year.Plus my dd wants to go to Spain didn't see anything i wanted and i felt bad about not buying anything but she wants everything.My middle dds school has a bunch of crap she wanted me to buy too.For my youngets they have a book and i might buy that.Going to check with my dh and see what he thinks.At least they had a company with a coupon book that you can use.Now that is something that is almost worth it.

Mish :)

cat lover 08-06-2015 02:55 PM


cau 08-07-2015 11:45 AM

I remember when my private school ,which the whole neighborhood went to, sold stuff there was no one to sell to but family. Which could no more afford it than my folks

RobertaD 08-07-2015 07:16 PM

It is frozen cookie dough or frozen pies for $15 that all the schools sell now in the fall.


cau 08-08-2015 07:57 AM

You can make a heck of a lot of cookies for $15.00, it is still a racket. I would just as soon give a donation

seleach 08-08-2015 10:16 AM

Cost way too much. The cookies and caramel corn the scouts sell are way overpriced.

RobertaD 08-18-2015 06:42 PM

Had the first knock of the season on the door today. Was one of the neighbor girls fundraising for Cheer. I was a scratch off card that you were asked to scratch off 2 dots and donate that amount. I had $.75 and $2.00, I gave her $3 and told her to keep the change.

Personally I like that way better then trying to be sold a $15 pie where the kids only get $4 of it.


HAPPY6 08-24-2015 07:49 PM

I perfer to give a donation to the kids. I really don't want any of the things they are selling.

cat lover 08-25-2015 02:33 AM

High priced items, kids really shouldn't be going door to door any longer, relatives and parents feel pressured to buy; just so many reasons it is not a good idea any longer. A school festival would be much more pleasing to families.

My grand daughter already has come home with two fund raisers you are expected to purchase things from. Most are sweets, frozen cookie dough that costs between $16 and $18 dollars to make 3 dozen cookies! Then you have the sugar issue for lots of people.

RobertaD 08-25-2015 03:43 AM

Today is the 2nd day of school, will see how long it takes to start getting the fundraisers sent home.


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